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    Since this is an abortion forum I might aswell...

    Since this is an abortion forum I might aswell bring up this old point:

    Innocence or intentions have nothing to do with it or any bearing on the law. You have the right to guard the integrity of...
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    :) Sperm and egg are both human and alive. . ....

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    Sperm and egg are both human and alive. . . unique dna (hela cultures, cloning).



    fulfills the pro-life criteria - this is where pro-lifers start adding stipulations post-hoc.

    Sperm and...
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    Your link was interesting: " a chimera, a...

    Your link was interesting:

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    a chimera, a mixture of two individuals - non-identical twin sisters - who fused in the womb and grew into a single body. Some parts of her are derived from one twin,...
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    Sorry if the background info belongs in phil...

    Sorry if the background info belongs in phil forum. . .



    That is the pro-life position. . . life begins at conception. . .

    Although not all pro-lifers are Catholic, and not all pro-lifers...
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    "duty of care" is resolved, the woman can harm...

    "duty of care" is resolved, the woman can harm her unborn at will and doesn't have to give an account to anyone whatsoever why she doesn't want children. Unlike in the UK. The UK has no right to...
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    @ DTA Indeed it is. Medical...

    @ DTA



    Indeed it is.



    Medical procedures are not based on morality and morality cannot be the sole basis of law. Roe simply resolved that the right to privacy overides any imaginary...
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    Is a woman who has a spontaneous abortion...

    Is a woman who has a spontaneous abortion and never knew conception had taken place a mother? What about all those offspring in IVF clinics which are deliberately disposed of in their thousands each...
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    Of course, to pro-lifers, "thou shall not kill"...

    Of course, to pro-lifers, "thou shall not kill" doesn't apply to death penalty, war, self-defence (which abortion arguably is) etc.
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    Such fundamental human rights have never applied...

    Such fundamental human rights have never applied to unborns at any time in U.S. hostory. In fact Roe was dealing with rights no one has. The right to usurp anothers bodily integrity against their...
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    It was an argument against the alledged...

    It was an argument against the alledged regret/guilt/mental illness of abortion. If you want to know why it is legal look up Roe.



    Unfortunately for pro-lifers the right to privacy has nothing...
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    It is inconsistent that unborns should have the...

    It is inconsistent that unborns should have the same protection and rights as those born.

    Which is why abortion has never been murder at any point in U.S. history.

    Which is why IVF is not...
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    Re: Guilt after an abortion?

    Guilt is one of the several claims pro-lifers make as their arguments against choice.

    Regret is similar I soppose. From before. . .



    I also fail to see the significance of arguing the small...
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    Then you have no choice but accept spontaneous...

    Then you have no choice but accept spontaneous abortion is humanities biggest killer and IVF is a holocaust of sorts. Why aren't pro-lifers picketing IVF clinics?



    Why does it have to be...
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    Well, the position of the Church for the majority...

    Well, the position of the Church for the majority of Christianity was that early abortion wasn't murder. . . not even homicide. This was based on ensoulment. That's one way to look at it.
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    Re: It Makes No Sense!

    I think most pro-choicers already think terminating someone elses pregnancy against their will should be met with harsh penalties. They don't, however think it is a person with a "right to life"...
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    I suspect the "potential" argument will crop up...

    You think that killing zygotes is morally indifferent from killing adult humans, and you can't make a substantial moral difference between zygotes and bacteria. You can say zygotes are "human" but...
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    That is commonly referred to as the...

    That is commonly referred to as the "responsibility argument".

    This argument is quite easy to break down and show it's fallacy.

    When that happens, 99% of the time pro-lifers throw it out the...
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    We don't grant rights across the board just cos...

    It is a bad example. Pro-life's logic wouldn't state that the seed is a 'flower' any more then we would argue that a newborn is an adult. Science's position is that the seed is the same species,...
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    Going off on a tangent, I have yet to see any...

    Going off on a tangent, I have yet to see any pro-life website that supports this contradictory position.

    iirc this contradiction was part of the reason the proposed South Dakota anti-abortion law...
  20. I believe we had this conversation before where...

    I believe we had this conversation before where iirc you claimed every rape is "life threatning". Most rapes are non-aggravated acquaintance rape, some where one party thinks no means yes. Still...
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    you'll probably get a better answer on a main...

    you'll probably get a better answer on a main religious board. I don't understand "for the sins of humanity", "died for your sins" myself. Maybe i'll ask one day. Something to do with old covenant...
  22. Thread: Censorship

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    Sex vs violence is a more complex issue than I...

    Sex vs violence is a more complex issue than I give credit for. Violence - self-defence, war (Germany 1940's), law enforcement, death penalty. . . moral/immoral? Should films portraying them be...
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    Re: Abortion Debate Survey

    Pro-Choice.



    As those defined in Roe (the woman doesn't have to explain her decision to the government why she doesn't want children prior to viability).



    Yes.
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    Poll: Carefully considered family choices within a...

    Carefully considered family choices within a responsible loving family would be harder to label as "mentally ill", "deluded by society", "forced by an abusive partner" etc.

    It is important for...
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    Indeed, abortion happens to be the minimum force...

    Indeed, abortion happens to be the minimum force to protect ones bodily integrity. An actual baby can be cared for by another. If there was a way to preserve the womans rights and simultaneously...
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